church problem. it has to be precise and specific. these are not legal technicalities alone. these are constitutional protections. we have to say you can't be creative because you don't like what somebody did. >> victims and victims' families are upset. can you sympathize with them? >> they are. pennsylvania has changed its law repeatedly to hold more people accountable in the chain of command. in the future you'll see the hierarchy of catholic church, universities, big business organizations all super careful that children are protected. that's where we want to be. >> certainly hope so. that's for sure. >> paul and alan, thank you so much. stay with us. we have more legal topics to discuss with you a little bit later in the hour. thank you. the holiday season has been pretty much miserable for many people in the northeast. thousands there still without