have to move to the point where we fundamentally alter the filibuster. the idea that, for example, my republican friends say that we're going to default on the national debt because they're going to filibuster that and we need ten republicans to support us is the most bizarre thing ever heard. i think you're going to see -- if it gets pulled again you'll see an awful lot of democrats being ready to say not me. i'm not doing that again. we're going to end the filibuster. but it still is difficult to end the filibuster beyond that. that's another issue. >> but are you saying once you get this current agenda passed on spending and social programs, that you would be open to fundamentally altering the filibuster or doing away with it? >> well, that remains to be seen exactly what that means in terms of fundamentally altering it, whether or not we just end the