destroying things, he could come after us. and i think that the idea that they need to keep him close was very much through those text messages, through their viewers. so there was also that culture of fear of the person they are boosting. >> i think there's also a big question for fox viewers. when i go to some of the red states, the only station on is fox news. and who do these people trust after all of this. do they dismiss this stuff as liberal media or witch hunt or whatever? or do they still have faith in teucker carlson and what he say. if they still have faith in donald trump and what he says. how does had that play out? >> it's a great question. part of the challenge is how does it breakthrough to them. fox is not covering this. fox is not admitting its own lies to its own people. a quick defamation question.