to unseal this. you can see mike pence inviting them to do it, looking for a life raft that he can land on if the charges are really, really serious. but i would not pick up that phone. i remember when i was in the white house, one of the first things that we were told is you do not talk to the justice department. you do not talk to the fbi the white house counsel will be the interface with those agencies. and that was a hard and fast rule. it's particularly important in this case. >> so yet you know this very well. political reporter turned strategist. you look at your opponent and think what are the weaknesses? this is an indictment about donald trump's handling or mishandling of classified information. let's go back in time and listen to donald trump. he's taken an interest in this subject before. >> my administration, i'm going to enforce all concerning the