this official who served in both trump and the biden administrations, a careerist flr with the class few indication process, has spoken to prosecutors about what donald trump knew, what donald trump was told, while he was in the white house about the process he understood the rules. plus spoke don mcgahn, big players, smart people, close people to donald trump, they all knew the process and talked to trump about it as well. so what trump says publicly contradicts what you have learned here. >> exactly. this is a career official. it's somebody who advised the trump and obama administrations on the classification process. it's somebody with direct knowledge of how those two m administrations followed the process and even cited specific examples about times that the trump administration followed the correct process. so it's really interesting to hear what this official was asked by prosecutors in both different investigations. in the trump probe, prosecutors