the law. you have mike pence in a tricky situation. he has been willing to criticize donald trump on a separate matter on january 6th. so you see how he's trying to carefully play both sides or deal with these issues on both sides. but the other thing he pointed out in that clip there is the fact that we just don't have the information yet. and i think what we have been talking about all morning, what you have heard several times is because the justice department has yet to unseal this, we're not working off actual facts of the indictment. we don't know. that's why chris christie saud he's holding off. there's a vacuum of information here that trump himself is fulling. >> i think mike pence is exhibit a of how tricky it is for candidates, even those who really are deciding they are going to stake their entire candidacy on standing opposed to donald trump when it comes to defending the constitution. that was mike pence's entire announcement speech. that's husband whole campaign.