down all the defenses, it's absolutely gold. they certainly will use that recording front and center. it's much stronger now that we're hearing some of the transcription of it than it had been reported previously. before i thought that's good to have, but who knows what it will be. it's very strong f this transcription is correct. they will be relying on this heavily. >> and i just want the to continue on this. how much do we know? it's trump in his own words. that's how they view it as a building block of state of mind. not only possession of the documents, but knowledge he's not supposed to have it. >> we know witnesses have been asked about this tape before the grand jury. his own lawyers only found out about it a few months ago, which they found out after a witness was asked about it. they were asked to provide recordings that they have. but prosecutors clearly view this as a very significant piece of evidence. even the legal team when we first broke this news, we said