ed that walt nauta was involved in perhaps the former president's obstruction we don't have the specifics of the charges, but that explains why he's facing those charges. >> let's go through the the developments and get some smart analysis from our pros with us. jennifer rogers torks you first. walt nauta was a witness before the grand jury. he was involved in moving some of the boxes. it you're trying to prove he mishandled documents, why is it important that somebody who is at husband side all the time, who has eyes and ears on donald trump is a coconspirator? >> they try to make him into a cooperator. and there was reporting they were leaning on wallet nauta to get him to koocht cooperate. so maybe now he will change his