this pandemic, where americans can learn to live with this virus, it's around, it doesn't disrupt the economy as much, it doesn't disrupt people's daily lives as much. there is a little bit of hesitancy in terms of when exactly they declare that and when they do that, >> because they've been burned before. >> there was a certain declaration -- independence from the virus that may have happened last -- >> freedom summer. >> yeah. >> so that is one of the reasons why they're being very cautious about that. but when you talk to public health experts within and around the administration, it's very clear that that is the status they're moving towards. i think one of the big questions is, does president biden, can he still get credit for a virus that doesn't disrupt people's daily lives when he promised to stop it altogether? and that's a political question. >> that's exactly right. and then there's also this problem with there are some people who are just not ready to go there. masking has become, you know, a cultural signifier. you know, whose team you on? pro-mask or anti-mask?
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