you know, the two men are so close. >> it does get directly to the idea of the company you keep and the credibility of the company you keep. i want to read a little more from the indictment, again, just to connect some of these dots here. shortly after that meeting, two other men who were indicted in this case began to formalize the business venture with foreign national 1 to fund their lobbying efforts. but took steps to hide number 1's involvement in the business venture, including any political contributions associated with the business venture, due to, in kukushkin's words, his russian roots and current political paranoia about it. they claim ukraine, not russia, interfered in the 2016 election. that gets in the president's head through who? rudy giuliani. then he comes back with his biden accusations. >> we sort of see it manifesting in some of the policy decisions whether or not it was directly related to the president's decisions at the end of the day,