now you have a poll that proves it. warren and biden tied statistically but warren on top in iowa. how does that change the race? >> well, it changes the race because it confirms i think what we've seen anecdotally in the early states, the energy around warren's campaign is very real. she's not the policy wonk that i think a lot of people thought she would be. she's warm and engaging and it shows that biden as a front-runner really is fragile. it's something we've been talking about for several months and i think it is a real thing. the other thing that hasn't changed is that the people below warren and biden, with the exception of maybe bernie sanders, are really struggling to find a foothold here and time is starting to run out. we are into the fall and the caucuses are within sight and one of them is going to have to find a way to make a move. >> on the one hand, 19 weeks is a long time and on the other hand it's not a long time. you have halloween and