caucus. that's a little like a needle in a haystack. it's going to take intensive groundwork and both of them are really getting started on that front. we'll have to see. and of course the most important thing is that will be right before the florida primaries. so could be their last duel. >> organizing a caucus environment makes it more fun. robert? >> in the 2000 campaign senator john mccain came out of nowhere in new hampshire to win the primary. his adviser at the time was john weaver. now john weaver is advising ohio governor john kasich. and when he looks at kasich's play in new hampshire he thinks he's in a strong position. he draw huge crowds this week and few if any questions about donald trump. kasich's people talked to him late saturday. they believe he's drawing a different kind of crowd. people looking for someone besides bush but more center right establishment within the party. they think slow and steady like mccain in 2000 could win the race. >> nia? >> riding with biden 2016. this is the draft joe biden movement. he has said that he'll decide by early august whether or not he's in this thing. in the mean time, they are