of this jury. i think she felt inadequate toward everyone, because of her education and her communication skills. i just felt sadness for her. >> you felt like, what, she was in over her head? >> well, not over her head, she just didn't want to be there. and she was embarrassed by being there because of her education and her communication skills that she just wasn't a good witness. >> do you find it hard at times to understand what she was saying? >> a lot of the times. because a lot of the times, she was using phrases i have never heard before, and what they meant. >> he looked like a creepy-ass cracker. >> when she used the phrase, "creepy-ass cracker," what did you think of that? >> i thought it was probably the truth. i think trayvon probably said that. >> and did you see that as a negative statement or a racial statement?