anything from guns to gun parts to ammunition to, you know, anything you wanted. we were looking for a rifle. >> but it's illegal for them to ship weapons to online customers the way say amazon ships their merchandise to customers. >> you would basically pay for the gun on line, mail us a check, whatever. we then get your ffl information. in other words, what dealer near your home do you want the gun shipped to. so it's literally no different than going into a store and buying it. you're still going to have to do a background check. >> but lots of people selling guns don't do background checks because they're not required to. in most states guns can be sold between two private parties online as long as they don't ship across state lines. >> it's perfectly legal to do so under some restrictions. >> what do citizens do because you can't do a background check as a citizen. >> you can't. wish you could, but you can't. generally what we tell people to do is to get a copy of their driver's license and a clear bill of sale. >> so you think that's something that needs to happen to enable citizens to check on who they're selling guns to? >> i don't think it would be a bad thing. i'll put that it way. >> right. >> as far as dealers like myself, if you don't pass the background check, you don't get