exposure. its congress now but there could be a referral to the department of justice by congress on any of these matters and any of these subjects and the individuals that come before them. and that's a very heavy burden to bear on a morning like today. wolf is 100% right. let's get a feel for what's going to be going on in that room. we have democratic congressman denny heck, a member of the house intel committee, of course. he'll be questioning sondland just a short time from now. congressman, thank you. don't worry about the ifb because it's just you and me anyway. >> a phone hung up in my ear. >> it happens to me all the time. we were having an interesting conversation. we get caught up in the politics and the substance so easily here, and it matters, of course. but the human beings in the room and what the feel is in there, and we were -- i was sharing my recollection about the clinton impeachment, how different this is, not just procedurally but personally. what is your personal feel about