about that? >> in my mind, there was not. >> it's also true, is it not, that these two investigations that the president asked zelensky for into 2016 and into the bidens were precisely the two investigations that rudy giuliani was calling for publicly, were they not? >> that is correct. >> so when people suggest, well, maybe rudy giuliani was acting on his own and maybe he was a freelancer or whatever, the president referred to exactly the same two investigations rudy giuliani was out pushing on his behalf. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> now, miss williams, you were asked about the meeting the vice president had with zelensky in september. in which the ukrainians brought up their concern about the hold on the security assistance. is that right? >> that's right. >> and you were asked about whether in that meeting between the vice president zelensky, the