but i was told the ukraine trip would take priority. >> but ultimately, you don't know? >> i don't know about the canada trip? >> you don't know the reason that the vice president was sent to canada for a usmca event instead of going to the ukraine? >> i don't know the reason why the president directed the vice president to go to canada instead of ukraine. >> colonel vindman, i would like to turn a little bit about the july 10th meeting, in ambassador bolton's office and the subsequent post-meeting in the ward room. who all was in the july 10th meeting, to the best of your recollection? >> are we talking about the ward room or are we talking about the actual meeting with ambassador bolton? >> we'll start with the first meeting in the ambassador's office. >> so from the u.s. side, we had ambassador bolton, dr. hill, i believe there was another special assistant to the