and i said "did they have an accident?" and i said "are you sure?" several times, i asked him if he were sure. and then he told me that they had been found and that they had been murdered. and i just -- i don't even remember after that. >> investigators had two crime scenes, the jeep and the area where the bodies were found. based on the evidence and the location of the bodies, investigators think that the killer was someone the van dusens knew. >> we felt that there probably was a third party involved in the vehicle with them. richard van dusen is forced out of the car at gunpoint and we feel he is certainly killed outside of the car. karla van dusen is shot while seated in the car. >> it looked like karla saw what was happening, turned her head, lifted her left hand, and the bullet went through the