>> the emergence of a women's rights movement had a possibility of playing the role in the 1970s that the black civil rights movement had played in the 1960s. and so i was particularly eager to create a special project dealing with women's rights. >> i got a call from the aclu asking me if i would consider running women's rights project with professor ruth bader ginsburg, whom i had heard of but i did not know. i met ruth the first day i was there. she seemed very polite and quiet and reserved. not a fire brand. >> she wouldn't speak up a great deal during meetings. she always addressed whatever point there was. there wasn't any peripheral element of it. >> no small talk. >> no small talk. none that i can recall. >> at that point in time ruth was developing her philosophy to take cases that would make good