we'd just send the pattern and they used to make everything there. >> carl told me one day that he was going to sell off all these samples. >> that was his record that should be in a museum. and they decided to sell those important pieces for 25 bucks, 50 bucks apiece. >> it was just stuff sitting here year after year doing nothing. >> some pieces went here, some pieces went there, but the mother lode of it is gone. eliminated, erased. it was hostile. >> there was nothing personal about it. if you want to call something personal -- i really didn't give a damn what halston's reaction would be. we were beyond that.