pinning them down and not allowing them to escape. there is a serious lack of trust here. they tried again told, but it didn't last, either. at least, in mariupol, it didn't. people were situated in buses to get out of town. when that shelling resumed, according to the ukrainians, the whole operation was called off. the red cross, the international red cross, which is serving as sort of an administrator or intermediary on the ground for these talks, gave both sides a bit of a scolding and said, look, it's not good enough to believe in the need for humanitarian corridors, you actually have to sit down and work out the exact details, the granular details. who is allowed to evacuate? exactly where? exactly when? exactly what the route is? can people lead and can aid come in? all of those details need to be