killing one individual regardless of how important this individual will not really put a permanent end to the islamic state. what has happened -- what has happened in the past three years, after the dismantling of the khalifa, the physical khalifa in iraq and syria the group has mutated into a resilient insurgency, a low cost resident insurgency. it has a few thousand sand fighters. low-cost operations. it has sprawling operations in syria and iraq and afghanistan. it has carried out thousands, not hundreds, fareed, thousands of attacks in iraq and syria and afghanistan. it has targeted mainly tribal figures, village elders, security forces, local leaders, and it has basically, you know, shown its ability to persist. we're not witnessing the resurgence of isis, we're really witnessing the persistent of this particular resilient and potent insurgency. >> and what should one do about it, fawaz?