opportunities. so they have ways of working together, of getting around sanctions, pushing back against, not just against western diplomacy, but against western ideas. they have a common -- one common thing, which they all fear the language of democracy and they fear the democracy movements inside their own countries, which are larger in some places than others, but they're enough of a problem for them to care about them. so it's really in their interest as a group, even though they don't have much in common ideologically, to seek to undermine western institutions, to push back against western language about human rights and to do that in a concerted way. you can absolutely see that in a number of places around the world. >> ian, in the context of this contest or tension anne described, the biden administration has held a big democracy summit. what do you make of that? is that the answer? >> i mean, it would be nice if