but there is a certain openness about trump, which as whether you like him as a person or not is rather endearing. >> if you were asked about what trudeau said -- >> yeah, he's pretty two-faced, isn't he? we're so used to these robots bho leave the best universities in north america, in the united kingdom, who go into political research, become congressmen or members of parliament, you know, we're so used to the career politician, not wanting to make any mistakes. never really telling the world what they actually think, but more what they think the world wants to hear. i think it's good to have people who have got passion. >> and do you think that's part of his appeal? >> absolutely. i think plain speaking, you've got middle america, the flyover states, we've got middle england. and these are people who couldn't really give a damned about what our westminster village or the washington swamp