trumpers when there's no evidence that either of them was that. what are you hearing in terms of what is that doing to the state department, to ambassadors? >> this was already a tough situation. and then on top of that, this particular ukraine case, where you see the ambassador to ukraine, yovanovitch, 30-year veteran of the foreign service, highly respected who had done hard posts. by the way, in republican and democratic administrations. i think president bush appointed her as ambassador to armenia. highly respected, well liked. fired for the apparent reason of just not willing to do the president's bidding. she came under fire in the media because rudy giuliani and the president's son, don jr., started going after her and making allegations. and next thing you know she's removed and the state department misled the public saying she was removed as schedule when it wasn't as scheduled.