pursuing corruption. what vice president biden was trying to do was get the ukrainians to be more serious about investigating corruption. and that in this particular case meant getting rid of that prosecutor who wasn't doing anything and getting one in place who would actually fight corruption. the point being where his son in that company is concerned is succeeding in that, including leveraging u.s. assistance to get the ukrainians to change prosecutors and investigation corruption, would have made it more likely that that company would be investigated rather than less likely. on the face of it, it doesn't hold up and doesn't make any sense. >> let me ask you about what you have seen and learned in terms of the way in which the state department is working in the trump administration. particularly the attack on the previous ukrainian ambassador, these attacks on these state department officials. the predcalls them never