trying to do to get the ukrai ukrainians to be more serious about investigating corruption. that meant getting rid of that prosecutor who wasn't doing anything and getting one in place that would actually fight corruption. where his son and that company is concerned is succeeding in that, to get the ukrainians to change prosecutors and investigate corruption would have made it more likely that that company would be investigated rather than less likely. on the face of it, it doesn't hold up and doesn't make any sense. >> let me ask you about what you have seen and learned in terms of the way in which the state department is working in the trump administration. particularly the attack on the previous ukrainian ambassador, these attacks on the state department officials. the president calls them never trumpers, when there's no evidence that either of them was that. what's that doing to the state