european union without paying. and since leaving the european union involves pain and no one's prepared to admit to that or compromise on that, you essentially now have this electoral contest between the undeliverable, which is a pain-free brexit, and unelectable, which is this marxist leader of the labor party. so it's probably not going to be an election that resolves the situation, much to everyone's frustration here. >> david, is the labor party going to be able to be resolutely the party that wants to stay in the european union? will it be able to present the public with that clear choice? >> i think that it's unlikely to be able to be wholly convincing in that. clearly, jeremy corbyn has his own history in respect to the european union. he voted against joining on fairly misbegotten grounds that it was a capitalist club. but also, he's acutely conscious that there are a number of labor voters who want to leave.