qualium eight years ago. pretenting there's no problem with europe's muslims and the sensationalism of the far right, the most important thing as you've stated is for us to remain level headed. the vast majority of those joined isis are western raised citizens. there's genuine discussions around refugees. we need conversations about the challenges that refugees pose. germany has taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees. france has hardly taken in any. i bet you that many of these attackers were french born and raised citizens. let's remain level headed and avoid being blinded by our left or popping a blood vessel in our right eye because both of those conclusions would render us blind. >> let's assume you're right. tell us about these french. you've interviewed hundreds of these kinds of people. why are they willing to commit suicide for a cause they've