easing. this was during the crisis itself in september of 2008. paulson and i and president bush were asking congress to pass the tarp build which would provide capital to help restore financial stability. the republican -- the democrats -- i'm not picking on republicans. we had a meeting with the republican caucus in the house. they were saying, first of all, we don't want to do this. second of all, we're not seeing any problems in our home district. i said to them, you will. because i understood you can't have a collapse of the financial system and the rest of the economy emerge unscathed. the work i had done suggested that the financial crises can lead to very serious recessions. >> looking forward, do you think that the -- there's a great deal of concern in the united states, an unease about the economy.