covich putin was supporting a suppression on human rights. >> can putin allow independent ukraine that is allied with the west, at least economically? is that something you believe a russian leader like putin could allow? >> including or without crimea. >> give him crimea. >> probably so but it would depend on the conditions. i'm struck by your introduction in the show. let me go back to that. i think we're two steps from a cuban missile crisis and three steps from war with russia for the first time. part of the problem is, as you pointed out, we don't hear what russia is saying. part of the reason for that is, is that anybody who tries to explain what russia is saying, it's called a putin apologist. we need to get a negotiation going on. we're told putin and obama are talking past each other.