the army field manual exhausts the universe of lawful techniques. you need to keep your options available because you can't predict what circumstances you might find yourself in the fuchlt i had a phrase when i was the director of the national security agency. we're going to play inside the foul lines but there will be chalk dust on our cleats. >> go right up to the lines. >> exactly. because if i don't, fareed, what i am doing is protecting me and my agency, not america. >> when thinking through this issue, remember the u.s. government has mostly stopped using enhanced interrogations since 2006. and has completely stopped since january of 2009. since then, al qaeda has been battered intelligence has been gathered and acted on and major plots have been thwarted. so the question is can we tackle terrorism without torture? the answer seems to be we're