russian aircraft aren't flying well either. they are delivering some ordinance but they have not shown themselves to be glorious in this campaign. >> not at all. one thing we have seen, amongst them and others is this casualty count. it's a lot higher than anything putin expected. we still don't know how big it is. in ukrainians are saying it's more than 11,000 russians have been killed. u.s. intelligence is saying it's 2,000 to 4,000. the russians are saying it's a whole lot less than that. do you have any sense of what the real number is? that number is what's going to matter to russians. >> yoeni don't know that it wil matter to russians. in the russian parlance vs. been grimmer. it's called cannon meat. i don't think this matters to putin. i don't think he cares about casualties the way, for example, the american army does.