comes to his legal and historical obligation. and then, you have the reality of the fact that he is, you know, 60, 61 years old and wants a political future in the republican party that is still totally dominated by his former boss, donald trump. so, there is a lot of posturing going on right now within and even among pence staffers and pence confidants. and also, erin, among members of the committee. i mean, how many times did we hear in and around the january 6th anniversary last week, senior members of the committee falling all over themselves to say how much of a hero and a patriot and -- and -- and a constitutional -- maybe not scholar but somebody who was -- who was following the constitution on january 6th, 2021. that was not an accident. so, there is a lot going on there, and -- and the public, in order to try to influence what's