and they talked about the debate internally that they had. because obviously, it's not what you would think anybody would do to put the defendant on the stand. they talked about their thinking. here's what he said today. >> at certain points, we wondered whether we would put him on. um, we did -- we had a mock jury. um, and we did two different juries. one, with him testifying. one, without him testifying. it was substantially better when he testified. i mean, to a marked degree. and that sealed it. >> interesting, elie, a lot to take away from that. one, that they -- that they saw such a difference. two, what would have happened if he hadn't testified you think? and three, they had a lot of resources to do things like that. to -- to mock it up and run it by different juries. >> yeah, so the decision to put your client on the stand is one of the most serious, consequential decisions any