start to really get businesses to embrace vaccine mandates, then we should have a standard digital way verifiable, a way that can't counterfeited to document vaccine status. >> you know, let's look at airlines. united airlines has made a mandate. get vaccinated or you are not. delta announced a $200 monthly fee for the unvaccinated. delta seems to say, they are indicating that's working directionally. 20% of its unvaccinated employees got the shot since that announcement of fines. is that going to work? 20% is 20%. not 100%. united is going to be 100%. >> i think all of these companies should be requiring vaccination for their employees. if they are not willing to do it because they are worried people