senate judiciary committee, has endorsed joe biden for president. senator, i appreciate your time. you heard manu going through the math. mitch mcconnell says no witnesses and he needs 53 senators, perhaps there are some of them who may support witnesses, may not ultimately support removing the president from office but would support witnesses and a more fulsome trial. do you see any of them stepping up going against the majority leader and siding with schumer on this? >> i think it's possible, erin, if they put the country's best interests ahead of narrow or partisan interests because frankly, the president didn't put on a defense in the house. the house impeachment inquiry saw witness after witness testify that president trump did the things he's alleged to have done, and the president blocked folks who were in the room who were part of the decision making