to the justice department. it defies the fact that the gop witness, kurt volker, said in retrospect, he understood it was about biden and the 2020 election and he would have objected if he understood it at the time because it was unacceptable. so i think they lose a lot, because many americans, republicans as well, say they think the president acted inappropriately, but it's not impeachable, but at least it was inappropriate. they get to that point. >> they don't even give you that. it goes against the facts. dana, the republicans are saying -- i'm sorry, this line, it's ridiculous. he's got a deep-seeded genuine and reasonable skepticism of ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption. the history part is true, the president's concern is not. here's the statement from the president himself, okay. just to remind people. we don't even need to go to david holmes saying he overheard the president saying gordon sondland said the president doesn't give a you know what about ukraine. we have the president himself saying what he wanted from