and when he's on the debate stage, him and warren still have the opportunity to contrast that with a more moderate status quo vision that biden and pete gut gig and -- buttigieg are going to represent. >> people are making the cut for the next debate as well. they got 12. the bar is a little higher for the next one. tomorrow is a very important night for a lot of people. pete buttigieg did an interview, he started to say, it's clear, i have issues with people that will be on stage with me. here he is talking about warren's plans to shun big money fund raisers if she wins the democratic nomination. >> we're going to make sure we have the resources to compete. because we are going up against the sitting president of the united states. he has tremendous amounts of support and allies at his back and we're not going to beat him with pock change. >> okay. so their his plan on elizabeth warren, then he took a swipe at beto o'rourke.