conservative estimate and these you'd have to ask rudy. are four officials that we know i just don't know. of that we have been able to >> one possible problem for the identify and there may be more, president, all of the photos like this, president trump with one of the men after dinner at and yeah. one of the important things in the white house back in may. another one from july of last our story is that some of these officials were going to lawyers year with the other giuliani associate and another one, inside the white house with here's both of them with trump, their concerns even before the call because of all of the stuff giuliani and vice president mike they saw happening and would pence. evan peres is out front tonight. include the removal of a u.n. how closer these men who are now arrested, right, for -- for alleged crimes to giuliani? ambassador and rudy giuliani and how closer they to giuliani? >> they're very close. planning trips to didkiev and or giuliani has referred to them as his clients and erin, more importantly, these are the guys developments that are getting closer and closer at the white who have -- who allegedly were house in early july that really unnerved a number of people in behind some of this operation that giuliani's been running to the room. >> so you also, and i want to give you -- there are a couple try to dig up dirt on joe biden of things in here that appear and joe biden's son alleging very significant. first of all, when you talk that there was some corruption allegations that needed to be about the transcript of the call investigated there in ukraine. itself that there was immediate these men allegedly, according concern about it, a lot of people on it had very serious to this -- this indictment that was unsealed by prosecutors in concerns. now, you're reporting that within hours of that