officials and a lot of lawyers at the white house, some of them who have left, it's interesting to hear and i'm talking about from republicans now that they really do see a problem here developing. it's not about a quid pro quo, a lot of them tell me. a lot of them agree maybe there there's a blatant abuse of executive privilege and power here. that's what a lot of his allies see at the potential downfall here. >> you've pointed out how the supreme court defines a quid pro quo. it's not an explicit statement but given your experience with ken star's team, is this a prudent strategy not to form a war room around this because you will look weak ? >> it's a different strategy. to be fair to president trump, he's broken a lot of rules and gotten away with it so far. if i were counselling him, i would say classic answer to this