jobs and they've never heard of the memorandum of a telephone conversation being placed in a restricted, highly restricted server or system with the most compartme compartmented and classified information. very, very unusual. look, i worked for president bush and he was calling leaders about iraq and nuclear weapons and these were sensitive discussions and i never saw anything like this in that case. >> want to ask you about that just specifically because you did create transcripts like this in your role. you'd be on the call and you'd create it and check the facts and make sure it's there for the historical record. there are some people out there, mike, does this stuff just happen normally? they get to know each other at thooed events and they talk off-the-cuff and do each other favors and this is the nasty, dark side who don't see and that's all this is. is that possible or are those