look, it's a fools errened to try to make sense or to try and -- try and find any consistency from this white house. >> do you believe, though, at all, kathryn, he would be -- it's like a double negative, the president is talking about a payroll tax cut but it has nothing to do with a looming rezbleegs republicans love tax cuts whether the economy is good or bad. >> good point. >> historically, though they are not fans of payroll tax cuts. democrats are. these are tax cuts generally that by definition go to working people. on your payroll, right? so in that sense i guess it's possible. but you have to also remember that larry kudlow isn't oh the record. the economic counsel director on the record lots of tweets, search twitter for this, saying he thinks the payroll tax cut from 2010 -- 2009, 2010 somewhere apprehend there, was wasteful, didn't do anything to stimulate the economy, what have you. i don't know that this is