"the end of black men." is murdoch saying that obama is not black because he was raised in a white family? >> it's really hard to figure out what he's trying to say. i think the larger issue here is this idea that there are, you know. some sort of characteristics or qualities that make you black in this country. he's an african-american male who has dealt with racism on his part and as a president i think he's had -- he actually has a lot of successes that he can talk about in terms of what he has done for the african-american community. the concern here is that we're still in 2015, we're talking about whether -- what make as real black person in this country and i think that's just like a ridiculous type of conversation and i hope rupert murdoch would know better. >> deborah, president obama has spoken about this. he's spoken about trayvon martin and said he could have been his son and went on to describe his