to do a jump-down. i mean i felt lucky i had one shoe and my phone. then i was kind of like where do i go from there? that's about the time the first responders got there. you can see from the scenes that the first cars, it was just -- i just felt lucky we were even crawling out. >> you felt lucky to be alive. when you hear now what we're learning the speed, we don't yet know why, we don't know why. the mayor of philadelphia said the train's engineer was reckless and irresponsible. we're learning a little more about him. we don't know why he was going so fast. when you were on that train, talking to a passenger, he said you were all in line together. seven people in that line are dead. others might be. we don't know. they're missing. how does it make you feel when you hear that? >> i mean in general, throughout the whole experience you're getting on the train. it's totally just your normal regular commute that you may do. but i mean action like after the crash, everybody -- you knew you