>> it will take time to develop and require boots on the ground to develop it. these isis fighters are very skillful. they don't use cell phones that much. you need people on the ground in contact with the iraqi military that's opposing them in order to gain the kind of intelligence from the locals who would know what isis is up to. but this is going to require the iraqi tribes to come on board because they're the ones that really could put a dent in the isis juggernaut right now. >> and do you believe, phil, that the united states has any sense of what isis is really about or what they're going to do? we heard barbara reporting on the current assessment from the u.s. intelligence. isis isn't going to risk an all-out war. but then you see car bomb after car bomb after car bomb in market after market after market. >> i think we have a sense of what they're about, but in the intelligence business, you have to differentiate two fundamental points. first is capability, how many of them are there, where are they, what kind of weapons do they have, how are they moving?