them. i also began to arm the freedom fighters in afghanistan. and then i gave a warning to brezhnev on public television and so forth that if they went from afghanistan any further that we would respond militarily without any restraint or limit on what weapons were used. and he never did. and then slowly but surely over the years, the freedom firefighters got more and more support, all russian weapons by the way so they couldn't identify their origin. and also gorbachev finally decided it was a horrible thing and they couldn't overcome the afghans so they withdrew. so i think we have to be very bold and strong in preventing putin from having a temptation to move military into eastern ukraine. >> of course, though, one of the big challenges you must have faced at the time, freedom fighters in one era is the taliban in another. >> that's true. you can't say. but at that time it was the right thing to do. because we had to make sure that the soviets didn't console date