trained to think. it's just a theory. i don't know. but that was my lesson on "dirty jobs." people used to ask me all the time, how come everybody's laughing? how come everybody's having such a good time on your show? they're covered in crap or something worse. the truth is, because so many of those people had prospered doing a thing that the majority of us would never contemplate. >> and they took -- there was some sort of i'm sure a real pride in that. >> you were going to say perverse pride and you're right. >> some of the jobs were rather perverse was the only thing i was thinking. >> it's more about taking the reverse commute and feel shrewd about doing it. i believe that's. >> that's an interesting analogy. let me just also have you weigh in on this show because both these people may be running for president. what they both had to say on income equality is important. let me play that. the middle class is being