this administration has sort of like pressed the pause button on our conversation about race. america is changing by 2043 white folks are going to be in the minority so we have to talk about it in complex targeted ways. >> are people using race and it's being used politically, o too. here's what harry reid is saying about the president. i hope and i say this seriously it's based on substance and not the fact that he's african-american. >> what kind of comment is that? i'm he not saying people don't go after the president because they don't like him because he's black. some people do, but that's a pretty aggressive thing for harry reid to say, isn't it? >> erin, i think there is a machine that helps to keep this race conversation going because people are getting paid for it, people are tuning in for it, and it helps to keep it simple. it's the complicated, hard conversations that we need to have continuously and repetitiously.