innocence? i mean, this is the reason this still captures so many people's minds when they see this is people still don't know. >> i think today's interview she's very convincing. she's extremely sympathetic. she's for the first time almost weepy in her approach. the hair's been cut. it looks like she's sort of had a makeover for the purpose of projecting in a different way. a lot of the criticism of her initially was she came across as being cold and unfeeling. by the way, in jury trials or in judge trials the way a defendant comes across often has an effect. now i thought in that interview very, very emotional, very human and i think this is an attempt to humanize her because american public opinion is going to be very important on the extradition issue which she -- >> if she is convicted by the highest court in the land of italy, steve, obviously you have ardently made the case for her innocence. you just heard her speak.